I don’t mean this to be flippant, but seeing that Tobin and Ghirlanda were both put on this case and couldn’t do it, I think, “all the kings’ horses and all the kings’ men, couldn’t put Humpty together again.” Makes it more remarkable that the Legionnaires of Christ have taken their lumps and survived this far.
I don’t mean this to be flippant, but seeing that Tobin and Ghirlanda were both put on this case and couldn’t do it, I think, “all the kings’ horses and all the kings’ men, couldn’t put Humpty together again.” Makes it more remarkable that the Legionnaires of Christ have taken their lumps and survived this far.
I’m sure not every new Latin American religious order is founded by an abuser, but I have run across the SCV’s, the IVE’s, and the Legion, and I can’t think of any others that I’ve met in the US. Maybe these have grown the most, not like good fruit but like cancer. (I’ve only personally had good experiences with people from these groups, I will say)
Maybe these examples can go some distance explaining why our Latin American pope is so suspicious of traditionalist Catholicism and “proselytizing”?
I don’t mean this to be flippant, but seeing that Tobin and Ghirlanda were both put on this case and couldn’t do it, I think, “all the kings’ horses and all the kings’ men, couldn’t put Humpty together again.” Makes it more remarkable that the Legionnaires of Christ have taken their lumps and survived this far.
I’m sure not every new Latin American religious order is founded by an abuser, but I have run across the SCV’s, the IVE’s, and the Legion, and I can’t think of any others that I’ve met in the US. Maybe these have grown the most, not like good fruit but like cancer. (I’ve only personally had good experiences with people from these groups, I will say)
Maybe these examples can go some distance explaining why our Latin American pope is so suspicious of traditionalist Catholicism and “proselytizing”?
You raise a good point. Definitely could be something to consider.
As JD said on the podcast, sometimes good things can be going on in these orders *despite* the dysfunctional culture.