"making a mess" does not mean what you think it means. Pope Francis does not "talk out of both sides of his mouth", and confusion about what he means comes from bad faith interpreters, not from him.
"making a mess" does not mean what you think it means. Pope Francis does not "talk out of both sides of his mouth", and confusion about what he means comes from bad faith interpreters, not from him.
I think that Amoris Laetitia is not an attempt to change the fundamentals of moral teaching, but is a correct nuancing of pastoral application. Pope Francis has not been silent on the German Synodal Way- he may not have denounced it as you might like, but it's simply not true to say that he has been silent.
I think people who are paying attention to what he says are aware that he is not trying to change the Church's definitive teachings- see for example Mary McAleese at the Root and Branch "synod" calling him an ultraconservative who will never support what they want.
As a Spanish speaker I know what тАЬHacer un lioтАЭ means, it could mean, тАЬshake things upтАЭ, тАЬmake a messтАЭ, тАЬraise hellтАЭ or тАЬto hassle.тАЭ Are any of these things the Holy Father should be encouraging in youth and others to do? In his colloquialism he confuses. I donтАЩt think anyone (of any stripe) can really believe he has not chosen to тАЬshake things upтАЭ, тАЬmake a messтАЭ or тАЬraise hellтАЭ.
I don't find it confusing. He said "The other day, a priest jokingly said to me: тАЬYes, keep telling young people to make a ruckus. But afterwards, we are the ones who have to clear it upтАЭ. So make a ruckus! But also help in cleaning it up. Two things: make a ruckus, but do a good job of it! A ruckus that brings a free heart, a ruckus that brings solidarity, a ruckus that brings us hope, a ruckus that comes from knowing Jesus and knowing that God, once I know him, is my strength. That is the kind of ruckus which you should make."
In what possible way can you interpret that as bad?
Yes, well not everyone is able to understand or interpret what he means. His comments donтАЩt often include any sort of explanation that common folks understand. As you say he did when he told the priest what he meant about making a mess. When we priests try to explain or make excuses for the often, contradictory, ambiguous or dismissals of peopleтАЩs concerns he is not тАЬconfirming the brothers and sistersтАЭ.
"making a mess" does not mean what you think it means. Pope Francis does not "talk out of both sides of his mouth", and confusion about what he means comes from bad faith interpreters, not from him.
not at fault for what?
what did he say that you think gives that impression?
I think that Amoris Laetitia is not an attempt to change the fundamentals of moral teaching, but is a correct nuancing of pastoral application. Pope Francis has not been silent on the German Synodal Way- he may not have denounced it as you might like, but it's simply not true to say that he has been silent.
I think people who are paying attention to what he says are aware that he is not trying to change the Church's definitive teachings- see for example Mary McAleese at the Root and Branch "synod" calling him an ultraconservative who will never support what they want.
As a Spanish speaker I know what тАЬHacer un lioтАЭ means, it could mean, тАЬshake things upтАЭ, тАЬmake a messтАЭ, тАЬraise hellтАЭ or тАЬto hassle.тАЭ Are any of these things the Holy Father should be encouraging in youth and others to do? In his colloquialism he confuses. I donтАЩt think anyone (of any stripe) can really believe he has not chosen to тАЬshake things upтАЭ, тАЬmake a messтАЭ or тАЬraise hellтАЭ.
I don't find it confusing. He said "The other day, a priest jokingly said to me: тАЬYes, keep telling young people to make a ruckus. But afterwards, we are the ones who have to clear it upтАЭ. So make a ruckus! But also help in cleaning it up. Two things: make a ruckus, but do a good job of it! A ruckus that brings a free heart, a ruckus that brings solidarity, a ruckus that brings us hope, a ruckus that comes from knowing Jesus and knowing that God, once I know him, is my strength. That is the kind of ruckus which you should make."
In what possible way can you interpret that as bad?
Yes, well not everyone is able to understand or interpret what he means. His comments donтАЩt often include any sort of explanation that common folks understand. As you say he did when he told the priest what he meant about making a mess. When we priests try to explain or make excuses for the often, contradictory, ambiguous or dismissals of peopleтАЩs concerns he is not тАЬconfirming the brothers and sistersтАЭ.
But, Joseph, we both can still pray for him.