As someone who once again thinks this is a worthy compromise (and actually favors all out ad orientem)...
What if they tell the Bishop to get stuffed? And what if it is actually very hard to satisfy the pastoral needs of the archeparchy when most their priests are now going to be in schism?
As someone who once again thinks this is a worthy compromise (and actually favors all out ad orientem)...
What if they tell the Bishop to get stuffed? And what if it is actually very hard to satisfy the pastoral needs of the archeparchy when most their priests are now going to be in schism?
If they are strictly in schism by declaration of the Vatican, but do not actually want to separate and start saying Mass on their own, I expect it will be very hard on the laity, which will generate pressure on all parties to come to a solution.
If they agree that they are in schism, and intend to run with this, then they'll keep providing Mass, only they'll be schismatic, not Catholic Mass, and the laity who wish to remain faithful will have a very hard time sorting through it all.
From the looks of the pictures, the laity are involved in the discussions about what to do with the ultimatum.
Well the Vatican has a pretty wide berth on how to define how you are in communion with it. That can be stupid and counterproductive, but the top has a wide berth for good reasons.
Same principle if it was the sincere belief of the synod. I just think we should all look before we leap.
I agree that the Pope (and by extension the curia with his approval) gets to decide if what someone is doing constitutes schism. But they declare the status, not the intentions of everyone involved. Hopefully most of the people involved are saying something along the lines of "Whoops! Did NOT mean for it to go that far." Rather than "Oh, they finally figured out we want nothing to do with them. That'll make this easier."
As someone who once again thinks this is a worthy compromise (and actually favors all out ad orientem)...
What if they tell the Bishop to get stuffed? And what if it is actually very hard to satisfy the pastoral needs of the archeparchy when most their priests are now going to be in schism?
If they are strictly in schism by declaration of the Vatican, but do not actually want to separate and start saying Mass on their own, I expect it will be very hard on the laity, which will generate pressure on all parties to come to a solution.
If they agree that they are in schism, and intend to run with this, then they'll keep providing Mass, only they'll be schismatic, not Catholic Mass, and the laity who wish to remain faithful will have a very hard time sorting through it all.
From the looks of the pictures, the laity are involved in the discussions about what to do with the ultimatum.
Well the Vatican has a pretty wide berth on how to define how you are in communion with it. That can be stupid and counterproductive, but the top has a wide berth for good reasons.
Same principle if it was the sincere belief of the synod. I just think we should all look before we leap.
I agree that the Pope (and by extension the curia with his approval) gets to decide if what someone is doing constitutes schism. But they declare the status, not the intentions of everyone involved. Hopefully most of the people involved are saying something along the lines of "Whoops! Did NOT mean for it to go that far." Rather than "Oh, they finally figured out we want nothing to do with them. That'll make this easier."