While I think it would be extremely cool and interesting but probably unlikely to see Cardinal Mykola Bychok, CSsR as pope.... is there anything in the code (either code) that would prevent a cardinal from a Church, sui iuris from accepting the role of the Roman Pontiff?
I don't think its impossible, but it might be a bit odd because the Bishop of Rome is de jure the head of the Latin Church. But I guess there are many Latin bishops who are also the heads of the Eastern Catholics within their dioceses!
One can easily be Christian and not be worthy of trust. And I think that we need to build a world with men and women who are trustworthy and see ourselves as such. And I do not need to tell myself when I see someone, “They should become Christian, that would be good for them,” because that breaks the relationship
His Eminence's English is admittedly not great, which is why this might seem ambiguous, but I think the point he was trying to make was that it's not good to try to develop relationships and friendships with the exclusive interest of converting the other person.
Evangelization indeed is. However, to be exclusively interested in a person for the purpose of conversion is proselytizing. It lacks love and cannot by definition be charitable.
That's not proselytizing. If we truly care about the eternal salvation of someone's soul, we should be primarily focused on their conversion (NB: primary, not exclusive). Of course, it's not us who converts the person; ultimately, it's the Holy Spirit that does. Nevertheless, we must always be willing to let the Holy Spirit work through us to help bring someone to the truth.
What I described is indeed proselytizing, as I deliberately used the word exclusively. This is also the word that Edgar used. I think at this point we’re all saying the same thing. Evangelization is an act of charity - proselytizing is not and the cardinal seems to be opposed to the latter. He supports forming loving relationships with people and is opposed to the objectification of individuals which comes from viewing them exclusively as potential converts. At least that’s what I gathered.
I reject your definition of proselytizing. Moreover, how am I objectifying someone if I view them, first and foremost, as someone in need of conversion? Weird take.
Of course it would be good for someone to know Christ, to love Him, and to desire with all one's heart to imitate Him to the very end. But it is not good for *me* to look at someone as though he or she is a "fixer-upper" project, like "this house would be perfect if I remodeled the kitchen and enclosed the porch to make a sunroom" (let's imagine it's a prospective marriage instead of a prospective friendship: This will be a perfect husband if I can only get him to stop smoking, drinking, playing pool with his friends, and if he would be a little more ambitious in his job and make a slightly higher salary; then he will be exactly what *I* want him to be, and of course, this also will be good for him.)
With all due respect, those aren't good analogies. If we encounter someone who does not know and love Our Lord, we should do everything in our power to bring this person to Christ. It should be our primary focus. This isn't trying to "fix" someone or "change" them for my own benefit. It's ultimately for the salvation of their soul. We abandon the Gospel if we do not make this our primary goal in relationships with others.
It seems that in your eyes I have many times abandoned the Gospel. You are not wrong in assessing that I am a worthless servant. God Himself knows how often I have betrayed him. Nevertheless I appreciate your effort (having encountered me here) to bring me to Christ and I hope you will pray for me; since God does desire all of us to be saved, I am sure your prayer will be heard.
Differentiator: pick a white robe instead of just another red hat 🤷♂️
https://english.katholisch.de/artikel/56749-white-instead-of-red-future-cardinal-does-not-have-to-wear-cardinals-robes
While I think it would be extremely cool and interesting but probably unlikely to see Cardinal Mykola Bychok, CSsR as pope.... is there anything in the code (either code) that would prevent a cardinal from a Church, sui iuris from accepting the role of the Roman Pontiff?
I know that Cardinal Lubomyr Husar was discussed as papabile before the 2005 conclave, so I would imagine there's at least no hard and fast impediment
I don't think its impossible, but it might be a bit odd because the Bishop of Rome is de jure the head of the Latin Church. But I guess there are many Latin bishops who are also the heads of the Eastern Catholics within their dioceses!
Seems unlikely we'd get two Latin American popes in a row? But not impossible, of course.
Cardinal Chomalí sounds pretty cool - nice to hear those kind of post-liberal ideas from a Cardinal!
Also, Cardinal Reina quoting Chesterton - nice!
One can easily be Christian and not be worthy of trust. And I think that we need to build a world with men and women who are trustworthy and see ourselves as such. And I do not need to tell myself when I see someone, “They should become Christian, that would be good for them,” because that breaks the relationship
I do not understand this mindset.
His Eminence's English is admittedly not great, which is why this might seem ambiguous, but I think the point he was trying to make was that it's not good to try to develop relationships and friendships with the exclusive interest of converting the other person.
Well, I simply disagree. Evangelization is, at its core, an act of charity.
Evangelization indeed is. However, to be exclusively interested in a person for the purpose of conversion is proselytizing. It lacks love and cannot by definition be charitable.
That's not proselytizing. If we truly care about the eternal salvation of someone's soul, we should be primarily focused on their conversion (NB: primary, not exclusive). Of course, it's not us who converts the person; ultimately, it's the Holy Spirit that does. Nevertheless, we must always be willing to let the Holy Spirit work through us to help bring someone to the truth.
What I described is indeed proselytizing, as I deliberately used the word exclusively. This is also the word that Edgar used. I think at this point we’re all saying the same thing. Evangelization is an act of charity - proselytizing is not and the cardinal seems to be opposed to the latter. He supports forming loving relationships with people and is opposed to the objectification of individuals which comes from viewing them exclusively as potential converts. At least that’s what I gathered.
I reject your definition of proselytizing. Moreover, how am I objectifying someone if I view them, first and foremost, as someone in need of conversion? Weird take.
> I do not understand this mindset.
Of course it would be good for someone to know Christ, to love Him, and to desire with all one's heart to imitate Him to the very end. But it is not good for *me* to look at someone as though he or she is a "fixer-upper" project, like "this house would be perfect if I remodeled the kitchen and enclosed the porch to make a sunroom" (let's imagine it's a prospective marriage instead of a prospective friendship: This will be a perfect husband if I can only get him to stop smoking, drinking, playing pool with his friends, and if he would be a little more ambitious in his job and make a slightly higher salary; then he will be exactly what *I* want him to be, and of course, this also will be good for him.)
With all due respect, those aren't good analogies. If we encounter someone who does not know and love Our Lord, we should do everything in our power to bring this person to Christ. It should be our primary focus. This isn't trying to "fix" someone or "change" them for my own benefit. It's ultimately for the salvation of their soul. We abandon the Gospel if we do not make this our primary goal in relationships with others.
It seems that in your eyes I have many times abandoned the Gospel. You are not wrong in assessing that I am a worthless servant. God Himself knows how often I have betrayed him. Nevertheless I appreciate your effort (having encountered me here) to bring me to Christ and I hope you will pray for me; since God does desire all of us to be saved, I am sure your prayer will be heard.
I like this from Cardinal Chomali: “A country that does not reflect deeply on what it means to be human will hardly have good politics”