By 8 am this morning, before this even made the Catholic media, someone was already circulating the Youtube online accusing the Pope of heresy. I simply saw him as an elderly man in poor health and probably exhausted from his travels, trying to express CCC 843. Not as some universalist trying to throw out EENS. People need to chill.
By 8 am this morning, before this even made the Catholic media, someone was already circulating the Youtube online accusing the Pope of heresy. I simply saw him as an elderly man in poor health and probably exhausted from his travels, trying to express CCC 843. Not as some universalist trying to throw out EENS. People need to chill.
I remember a conversation-style interview (at least an hour long, if not two) that Scott Hahn did, in which he got a bit carried away and said something that, taken at face value, was rank heresy. Part of the Catholic interwebs promptly exploded, with... widely varying degrees of charity.
Scott Hahn put up a video in which he stated that it was in fact a heresy, apologized for getting it wrong, thanked *everyone*, including the uncharitable folks, for pointing it out as an important problem, spent about 20 minutes clarifying the correct doctrine (I expect considerably better than most of his critics could have) and left me in total awe of his capacity for acknowledging his mistakes, respect for the people who listen to him, and the high degree of importance he puts on getting the truth across correctly. By the end of it, I was delighted that he had messed up in the first place, just for joy in the retraction video.
If the Pope is exhausted from his long travels in a hot climate, he should have enough sense to stick to the speech which had been very carefully prepared for him. And if he lacks that sense, someone urgently needs to persuade him to quietly step down before the next faith destroying gaff. Which will be coming as inevitably as the next bus.
I find it exhausting that Pope Francis struggles so mightily to express himself with clarity. Why can't the vicar of Christ express CCC 843 without causing an uproar? BTW you also have to read this along with other things Pope Francis has said - especially when he talked about God willing a diversity of religions.
It's easy to get upset with people for jumping on Francis. I agree that we should have learned by now that he doesn't speak with clarity. However, that doesn't mean its not a problem - a big problem - that he seemingly can't speak without ambiguity.
While I agree with your assessment of the Holy Father at this point in his life and adventures, I think this would all hold true if only practicing catechized Catholics were to hear these things. However there are those who seriously seek to understand the faith (young, new, reverts, etc) that can and have been confused by this Pope's frequent remarks. This can't be helpful to them.
By 8 am this morning, before this even made the Catholic media, someone was already circulating the Youtube online accusing the Pope of heresy. I simply saw him as an elderly man in poor health and probably exhausted from his travels, trying to express CCC 843. Not as some universalist trying to throw out EENS. People need to chill.
This was my take as well, and I applaud your charity. The spin is definitely getting tiring too.
I remember a conversation-style interview (at least an hour long, if not two) that Scott Hahn did, in which he got a bit carried away and said something that, taken at face value, was rank heresy. Part of the Catholic interwebs promptly exploded, with... widely varying degrees of charity.
Scott Hahn put up a video in which he stated that it was in fact a heresy, apologized for getting it wrong, thanked *everyone*, including the uncharitable folks, for pointing it out as an important problem, spent about 20 minutes clarifying the correct doctrine (I expect considerably better than most of his critics could have) and left me in total awe of his capacity for acknowledging his mistakes, respect for the people who listen to him, and the high degree of importance he puts on getting the truth across correctly. By the end of it, I was delighted that he had messed up in the first place, just for joy in the retraction video.
If the Pope is exhausted from his long travels in a hot climate, he should have enough sense to stick to the speech which had been very carefully prepared for him. And if he lacks that sense, someone urgently needs to persuade him to quietly step down before the next faith destroying gaff. Which will be coming as inevitably as the next bus.
I find it exhausting that Pope Francis struggles so mightily to express himself with clarity. Why can't the vicar of Christ express CCC 843 without causing an uproar? BTW you also have to read this along with other things Pope Francis has said - especially when he talked about God willing a diversity of religions.
It's easy to get upset with people for jumping on Francis. I agree that we should have learned by now that he doesn't speak with clarity. However, that doesn't mean its not a problem - a big problem - that he seemingly can't speak without ambiguity.
While I agree with your assessment of the Holy Father at this point in his life and adventures, I think this would all hold true if only practicing catechized Catholics were to hear these things. However there are those who seriously seek to understand the faith (young, new, reverts, etc) that can and have been confused by this Pope's frequent remarks. This can't be helpful to them.