So he wants to be able to futz with it at will, but not be bound to it at all, so it's a dead letter that will not outlive him. Good riddance "synodality"!
Sounds like he wants it to be MAGISTERIAL because people are ignoring it, but he doesn't want to commit to anything that would actually require the Magisterium to decide on something.
The only thing that is magisterial about the synodal process is that the true synodality is the friends we met along the way.
> Each country or region, moreover, can seek solutions better suited to its culture and sensitive to its traditions and local needs.
I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as though thousands of voices cried out "well, my region needs more TLM, as it happens" so I'll be interested to see how bishops in the anglosphere implement synodality in conjunction with the Traddening.
Somehow I don’t imagine “various ways of interpreting some aspects of that teaching or drawing certain consequences from it” includes determining that synodality has been sufficiently implemented…
May the Holy Spirit, gift of the Risen One, sustain and guide the entire Church in this journey. May He, who is harmony, continue to rejuvenate the Church with the strength of the Gospel, renew her and lead her to perfect union with her Spouse (cf. LG 4). For the Spirit and the Bride say to the Lord Jesus: “Come” (cf. Rev 22:17).
Yes. There is a worldwide pastoral need for the traditional Latin Mass. Hopefully the bishops will engage the faithful and seek to meet that need in their respective dioceses.
No, it is definitely not worldwide. Yes, it is a very legitimate and important pastoral service in a LOT of places and should be provided. There are a lot of African, Asian, and Latin American societies that wonder what on earth we’re fighting about —and the lack of any desire for TLM in many of those cultures means they listen to us and think we’re declining and arguing over power in the Church. In the same way the Democrats were just dealt an embarrassing shellacking and need to totally rethink their presentation, the TLM (but most especially in English speaking countries) needs to learn how to engage the Church in a more theological way. People can sniff out when we use vocab that ties back to external forms and power. That’s not the benefit of TLM, it’s just unfortunately how we represent ourselves. I used to attend TLM in Northern Virginia, but slowly, started learning how much vice was happening in the rectories and on dating apps. And I lost interest because we weren’t really focusing on building virtue, just appearances. Most of my TLM community I believe were model Catholics, so it doesn’t bother me that they are sticking to their guns. But the desire to do better has been overshadowed by the politics of external forms. Any community can fall into that trap, I hope it is not the case for you.
This seems authoritarian and opposed to synodality. The Vatican wants to keep tabs on each bishop with reference to how they are implementing this teaching just like they are doing currently with Traditionis Custodes. It seems like an attempt to exercise more control over the bishops, especially since they have used their authority to dismiss bishops who do not seem to toe the line.
"He announced that when bishops prepare reports ahead of their ad limina visits to Rome — which take place roughly every five years — they will need to explain how they have implemented the final document in their dioceses."
Is it really non-synodal to have bishops "walk together"? And don't we cheapen the word "authoritarian" when we use it to describe bishops having to prepare reports on the implementation of synodality every five years?
Assertion 1: “The final document will form part of the ordinary Magisterium of the Successor of Peter …”
Assertion 2: “not all discussions of doctrinal, moral or pastoral issues need to be settled by interventions of the magisterium.”
Additional Gloss on Assertion 2: “Unity of teaching and practice is certainly necessary in the Church, but this does not preclude various ways of interpreting some aspects of that teaching or drawing certain consequences from it,” said the pope. “This will always be the case as the Spirit guides us towards the entire truth … until he leads us fully into the mystery of Christ and enables us to see all things as he does. Each country or region, moreover, can seek solutions better suited to its culture and sensitive to its traditions and local needs.”
Mix well in large serving bowl. Cook over low temperature. Servings: approximately 1 billion.
Should not the bishops of the Church be preparing souls for the Day of the Lord and final judgment? The bureaucracy in the Church is stifling. When teaching at a parochial school, I was told to map my lesson plans to the standards. The standards was an unreadable document listing a herculean amount of information that kids should be taught in a course which in practice is never conveyed because the attention span of kids and their ability to just do whatever is necessary to get the grade impedes any real learning from taking place. It is from the same experience that I see the idea of requiring bishops to prepare for their ad limina visits how they are implementing Traditionis Custodes and now the Synod on Synodality as an effort to distract them from their primary duty of saving souls and tending their flock and redirecting their efforts towards conforming themselves to advancing the political ideological preference of the current pontiff and his administration.
BINGO!!! Now repent of your carbon footprint to Mother Earth before the local “minister” of global warming restricts you and your parish to 64 degrees and times your Mass to 17 minutes.
What bishop should be spending their time and energy reading this document to demonstrate how they are implementing it in their diocese in preparation for their ad limina visits? This seems authoritarian. It redirects the bishops from their duty to preserve and defend and the deposit of faith while preparing their flock for the Day of the Lord towards advancing the current ideological priorities of the current pontiff and his administration. It is as if the goals of the synod on synodality take precedence over the duties of the bishop as laid down by Jesus Christ and set forth in Sacred Scripture.
He announced that when bishops prepare reports ahead of their ad limina visits to Rome — which take place roughly every five years — they will need to explain how they have implemented the final document in their dioceses.
Until Pope Francis "joins the dots" with an Apostolic Exhortation, I suspect the Bishops of the Catholic Church in communion with him can, with good conscience, spend their time on things other than implementing the "The Final Document" (™) in response to this... *ahem*... bulletin. 😶
So, we have a Brave New Church where some experience and experiments “will be more equal” to other experiences and experiments. In a word, Balkanization.
So he wants to be able to futz with it at will, but not be bound to it at all, so it's a dead letter that will not outlive him. Good riddance "synodality"!
Sounds like he wants it to be MAGISTERIAL because people are ignoring it, but he doesn't want to commit to anything that would actually require the Magisterium to decide on something.
The only thing that is magisterial about the synodal process is that the true synodality is the friends we met along the way.
Oh, well that clarifies it then.
Clear as mud.
My head hurts after reading that.
Can we get a Synod on Understanding Authoritative Texts for the Layperson in the next couple years? 🤯
> Each country or region, moreover, can seek solutions better suited to its culture and sensitive to its traditions and local needs.
I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as though thousands of voices cried out "well, my region needs more TLM, as it happens" so I'll be interested to see how bishops in the anglosphere implement synodality in conjunction with the Traddening.
Somehow I don’t imagine “various ways of interpreting some aspects of that teaching or drawing certain consequences from it” includes determining that synodality has been sufficiently implemented…
Technically, he said, I ask..." not "Local Ordinaries must..."
May the Holy Spirit, gift of the Risen One, sustain and guide the entire Church in this journey. May He, who is harmony, continue to rejuvenate the Church with the strength of the Gospel, renew her and lead her to perfect union with her Spouse (cf. LG 4). For the Spirit and the Bride say to the Lord Jesus: “Come” (cf. Rev 22:17).
Yes. There is a worldwide pastoral need for the traditional Latin Mass. Hopefully the bishops will engage the faithful and seek to meet that need in their respective dioceses.
No, it is definitely not worldwide. Yes, it is a very legitimate and important pastoral service in a LOT of places and should be provided. There are a lot of African, Asian, and Latin American societies that wonder what on earth we’re fighting about —and the lack of any desire for TLM in many of those cultures means they listen to us and think we’re declining and arguing over power in the Church. In the same way the Democrats were just dealt an embarrassing shellacking and need to totally rethink their presentation, the TLM (but most especially in English speaking countries) needs to learn how to engage the Church in a more theological way. People can sniff out when we use vocab that ties back to external forms and power. That’s not the benefit of TLM, it’s just unfortunately how we represent ourselves. I used to attend TLM in Northern Virginia, but slowly, started learning how much vice was happening in the rectories and on dating apps. And I lost interest because we weren’t really focusing on building virtue, just appearances. Most of my TLM community I believe were model Catholics, so it doesn’t bother me that they are sticking to their guns. But the desire to do better has been overshadowed by the politics of external forms. Any community can fall into that trap, I hope it is not the case for you.
This seems authoritarian and opposed to synodality. The Vatican wants to keep tabs on each bishop with reference to how they are implementing this teaching just like they are doing currently with Traditionis Custodes. It seems like an attempt to exercise more control over the bishops, especially since they have used their authority to dismiss bishops who do not seem to toe the line.
"He announced that when bishops prepare reports ahead of their ad limina visits to Rome — which take place roughly every five years — they will need to explain how they have implemented the final document in their dioceses."
Is it really non-synodal to have bishops "walk together"? And don't we cheapen the word "authoritarian" when we use it to describe bishops having to prepare reports on the implementation of synodality every five years?
What happened to Bishop Strickland and others smacks of authoritarianism.
Some “Synodal experiences will be more equal than others”. Strickland didn’t make the cut. It’s a Brave New Church.
Assertion 1: “The final document will form part of the ordinary Magisterium of the Successor of Peter …”
Assertion 2: “not all discussions of doctrinal, moral or pastoral issues need to be settled by interventions of the magisterium.”
Additional Gloss on Assertion 2: “Unity of teaching and practice is certainly necessary in the Church, but this does not preclude various ways of interpreting some aspects of that teaching or drawing certain consequences from it,” said the pope. “This will always be the case as the Spirit guides us towards the entire truth … until he leads us fully into the mystery of Christ and enables us to see all things as he does. Each country or region, moreover, can seek solutions better suited to its culture and sensitive to its traditions and local needs.”
Mix well in large serving bowl. Cook over low temperature. Servings: approximately 1 billion.
Should not the bishops of the Church be preparing souls for the Day of the Lord and final judgment? The bureaucracy in the Church is stifling. When teaching at a parochial school, I was told to map my lesson plans to the standards. The standards was an unreadable document listing a herculean amount of information that kids should be taught in a course which in practice is never conveyed because the attention span of kids and their ability to just do whatever is necessary to get the grade impedes any real learning from taking place. It is from the same experience that I see the idea of requiring bishops to prepare for their ad limina visits how they are implementing Traditionis Custodes and now the Synod on Synodality as an effort to distract them from their primary duty of saving souls and tending their flock and redirecting their efforts towards conforming themselves to advancing the political ideological preference of the current pontiff and his administration.
BINGO!!! Now repent of your carbon footprint to Mother Earth before the local “minister” of global warming restricts you and your parish to 64 degrees and times your Mass to 17 minutes.
What bishop should be spending their time and energy reading this document to demonstrate how they are implementing it in their diocese in preparation for their ad limina visits? This seems authoritarian. It redirects the bishops from their duty to preserve and defend and the deposit of faith while preparing their flock for the Day of the Lord towards advancing the current ideological priorities of the current pontiff and his administration. It is as if the goals of the synod on synodality take precedence over the duties of the bishop as laid down by Jesus Christ and set forth in Sacred Scripture.
He announced that when bishops prepare reports ahead of their ad limina visits to Rome — which take place roughly every five years — they will need to explain how they have implemented the final document in their dioceses.
Until Pope Francis "joins the dots" with an Apostolic Exhortation, I suspect the Bishops of the Catholic Church in communion with him can, with good conscience, spend their time on things other than implementing the "The Final Document" (™) in response to this... *ahem*... bulletin. 😶
So, we have a Brave New Church where some experience and experiments “will be more equal” to other experiences and experiments. In a word, Balkanization.