I was taught that although she was born without original sin, she still needed Christ to be born to open the gates of heaven, so she still needed a deliverence of sorts. I'm no theologian so ok with being told I am wrong.
I was taught that although she was born without original sin, she still needed Christ to be born to open the gates of heaven, so she still needed a deliverence of sorts. I'm no theologian so ok with being told I am wrong.
Right she did and was delivered by Christ but at the time of His birth He had done delivered her 😉
As the saving sanctification of the Paschal Mystery is outside time, being God and all, Christ saved His mother from the moment of her creation.
No soon deliver nonsense, it already happened (I hate that song. - SHE KNEW. SHE WAS A GOOD JEW WHO KNEW THE PROPHETS. SHE KNEW - so my sass isn’t personal to you but to that awful song writer lol )
Hate this song too for the same reasons. My daughter did a hilarious Instagram post using her best valley girl voice, "Mary, did'tcha know? I mean, like, haven't you read scripture? Or the prophets? Etc" she won't let me share it but her comment to me was "Protestants finally wrote a song about Mary and they used it to undercut her". God bless my dear daughter, who, btw, also HATES fireworks lol
A following point in the diocese's explanation: "While there is an atemporal side to God's activity, at face value 'This Child that you delivered will soon deliver you' conveys a sense of Mary at that moment still awaiting salvation along with everyone else (as opposed to being already cleansed by a 'prevenient grace,' as the Prayer over the Offerings for Immaculate Conception on December 8 says). And since the song was not written by/for Catholics, that’s surely the intent. But we have to affirm that Mary was not still awaiting a future salvation when Jesus was born—in fact, her purity was necessary for the Incarnation."
I was born and raised Protestant, which is how I came to know of the song and its writer, and the assumed meaning behind the line is that Mary needs to be saved from her sins. I can see how the explanation you were given can work to make the line fit into a Catholic context, but that almost certainly not what was on a Texas Baptist's mind when he wrote it!
Bingo. We can rationalize ways that the lyrics don't deny the Immaculate Conception, but we're just performing mental gymnastics. Occam's Razor applies here.
I was taught that although she was born without original sin, she still needed Christ to be born to open the gates of heaven, so she still needed a deliverence of sorts. I'm no theologian so ok with being told I am wrong.
Right she did and was delivered by Christ but at the time of His birth He had done delivered her 😉
As the saving sanctification of the Paschal Mystery is outside time, being God and all, Christ saved His mother from the moment of her creation.
No soon deliver nonsense, it already happened (I hate that song. - SHE KNEW. SHE WAS A GOOD JEW WHO KNEW THE PROPHETS. SHE KNEW - so my sass isn’t personal to you but to that awful song writer lol )
"but at the time of His birth He had done delivered her 😉". Love it!
As they say: "Done and done". Already been done. But still love the song.
Hate this song too for the same reasons. My daughter did a hilarious Instagram post using her best valley girl voice, "Mary, did'tcha know? I mean, like, haven't you read scripture? Or the prophets? Etc" she won't let me share it but her comment to me was "Protestants finally wrote a song about Mary and they used it to undercut her". God bless my dear daughter, who, btw, also HATES fireworks lol
A following point in the diocese's explanation: "While there is an atemporal side to God's activity, at face value 'This Child that you delivered will soon deliver you' conveys a sense of Mary at that moment still awaiting salvation along with everyone else (as opposed to being already cleansed by a 'prevenient grace,' as the Prayer over the Offerings for Immaculate Conception on December 8 says). And since the song was not written by/for Catholics, that’s surely the intent. But we have to affirm that Mary was not still awaiting a future salvation when Jesus was born—in fact, her purity was necessary for the Incarnation."
I was born and raised Protestant, which is how I came to know of the song and its writer, and the assumed meaning behind the line is that Mary needs to be saved from her sins. I can see how the explanation you were given can work to make the line fit into a Catholic context, but that almost certainly not what was on a Texas Baptist's mind when he wrote it!
Bingo. We can rationalize ways that the lyrics don't deny the Immaculate Conception, but we're just performing mental gymnastics. Occam's Razor applies here.