Still listening- just wanted to note that the “morning after pill” and the “abortion pill” are not the same thing. It is the latter (mifepristone/misoprostol) that is germane in the discussion about Vance’s comments, and which is responsible for half of all abortions in the US.
Ed called it “the morning after pill” in the early discussion about Vance’s comments, and then said that it is responsible for half the abortions in the country. I know that later you used the proper medication names!
Also, related to some of the discussion about IVF elsewhere:
This is obviously more about political strategy than Catholic teaching and natural law truths, but I do like Vance’s comments from the VP debate about how the American people are not ready for a federal abortion ban, and hearts and minds need to be won first. I think he is right, and the passage of abortion amendments at state levels show us this. I do think the pro-life movement misses the mark and shoots itself in the foot by not pursuing incremental gains- see the South Dakota amendment proceedings of “let’s at least ban abortion past viability- many of us can agree on that- and keep the conversation about abortion restrictions going, rather than enshrining unlimited abortion rights in our constitution.” And hey- that one worked!
That said, I do think that criticism of the abortion pill, its availability and its safety absolutely need to be on the table as part of this discussion, nationally and at the state level.
The sad truth is that we are now several generations deep into being conditioned that abortion and birth control have always been and will always be there to prop up a certain expectation of sex on demand. As the whatever small percentage of Catholics and conservatives who believe in the sanctity of life, no ifs, ands, or buts, it can be hard to swallow that we are a tiny minority. The truth is there, and it will out, but first we need to be willing to scrape through decades of filth and baggage with our fellow citizens to get to it. It is depressing, but not more depressing than just constantly proposing total abortion bans and losing…
I am hungry to receive the new Bible translation. I have a goal of committing more Scripture to memory, and want my memorized passages to match what is proclaimed at Mass and also be beautiful, and so it seems silly to start memorizing now what is about to be changed liturgically. So on the one hand, if you get a copy of the new potential translation, I would love to see it. On the other hand, I imagine that even if you guys get a copy, you will be limited by copyright law from sharing it at all? (If you found a way to cite the Prologue to John's gospel in a potential review, though, that would not be terrible...) And yet it seems... not disobedient exactly, not also not quite docile to the Church, for me to try to grab what has not yet been given.
I guess I'm left with praying for miracles of quick approval and publication. Or patience. Come, Holy Spirit!
Re: JD’s question about how we know Trump is pro-choice, I think the most direct and concise proof is that he had all pro-life language about the sanctity of life and protecting the unborn removed from the Republican party platform; Trump is pro-choice, and effectively so is the Republican party, although as you noted, not to the extreme that the Democratic party is.
If you define pro-life as supporting life from conception with no exceptions, and pro-choice as everything else, than nearly 90% of Catholics are pro-choice.
I'm inclined to agree with that definition ideologically, but I don't think it works politically, as people who think abortion should be legal in the first trimester will be valuable allies in areas where abortion is currently legal through all 9 months.
If we want politicians to build coalitions that cater to ideologically pro-life people, we need to get more of them.
I am unimpressed with the Abbey Psalms and Canticles. My impression is that it is too wordy, and awkward at some moments. But, I may be attached to the current translation of the breviary because it is familiar.
The June 2028 date for the new lectionary has failed to include the 5-year synodal process to ensure that all the laity approve of it and don't get upset about any of the translation changes to beloved passages.
Thank you so much for the entire conversation regarding some languages simply do not have the vocabulary and language to convey what is said in the Word of God and the importance of good language to convey the Faith. I thought it was a very good articulation of the idea that means we use to transmit the Faith must have a capacity and depth to reliably achieve that.
I suspect health insurance lobbying firms will aggressively fight a potential IVF mandate and turn it into a total non-starter given the staggering costs that would be involved. Lobbying FTW!
From what I understand, the answer is “yes,” and the hymns for the Breviary are to be contained in a separate smaller volume to accompany the 4-volume Breviary.
Re: new translation/update to NABRE -thank God that my Little Rock Catholic Study Bible New Testament is safeguarded by the editorial brilliance of my friend Fr. Ronald D. Witherup PSS. He publishes what he does and preaches as evidenced by his prodigious author list. He may be the last living Catholic vestige to Fr. Raymond E. Brown SS.
Consider a podcast with Fr. Ron on one or two of his books:
• Biblical Fundamentalism: What Every Catholic Should Know
• Scripture and Tradition in the Letters of St. Paul
• his experience as a New Testament editor for the Little Rock Study NABRE
Still listening- just wanted to note that the “morning after pill” and the “abortion pill” are not the same thing. It is the latter (mifepristone/misoprostol) that is germane in the discussion about Vance’s comments, and which is responsible for half of all abortions in the US.
correct. i hope we didnt say otherwise!
Ed called it “the morning after pill” in the early discussion about Vance’s comments, and then said that it is responsible for half the abortions in the country. I know that later you used the proper medication names!
Whoopsie!
Also, related to some of the discussion about IVF elsewhere:
This is obviously more about political strategy than Catholic teaching and natural law truths, but I do like Vance’s comments from the VP debate about how the American people are not ready for a federal abortion ban, and hearts and minds need to be won first. I think he is right, and the passage of abortion amendments at state levels show us this. I do think the pro-life movement misses the mark and shoots itself in the foot by not pursuing incremental gains- see the South Dakota amendment proceedings of “let’s at least ban abortion past viability- many of us can agree on that- and keep the conversation about abortion restrictions going, rather than enshrining unlimited abortion rights in our constitution.” And hey- that one worked!
That said, I do think that criticism of the abortion pill, its availability and its safety absolutely need to be on the table as part of this discussion, nationally and at the state level.
I agree with all of this.
The sad truth is that we are now several generations deep into being conditioned that abortion and birth control have always been and will always be there to prop up a certain expectation of sex on demand. As the whatever small percentage of Catholics and conservatives who believe in the sanctity of life, no ifs, ands, or buts, it can be hard to swallow that we are a tiny minority. The truth is there, and it will out, but first we need to be willing to scrape through decades of filth and baggage with our fellow citizens to get to it. It is depressing, but not more depressing than just constantly proposing total abortion bans and losing…
There needs to be some sort of bet between JD and Ed about the over/under of June 2029 final implementation of a new lectionary.
I am hungry to receive the new Bible translation. I have a goal of committing more Scripture to memory, and want my memorized passages to match what is proclaimed at Mass and also be beautiful, and so it seems silly to start memorizing now what is about to be changed liturgically. So on the one hand, if you get a copy of the new potential translation, I would love to see it. On the other hand, I imagine that even if you guys get a copy, you will be limited by copyright law from sharing it at all? (If you found a way to cite the Prologue to John's gospel in a potential review, though, that would not be terrible...) And yet it seems... not disobedient exactly, not also not quite docile to the Church, for me to try to grab what has not yet been given.
I guess I'm left with praying for miracles of quick approval and publication. Or patience. Come, Holy Spirit!
Re: JD’s question about how we know Trump is pro-choice, I think the most direct and concise proof is that he had all pro-life language about the sanctity of life and protecting the unborn removed from the Republican party platform; Trump is pro-choice, and effectively so is the Republican party, although as you noted, not to the extreme that the Democratic party is.
If you define pro-life as supporting life from conception with no exceptions, and pro-choice as everything else, than nearly 90% of Catholics are pro-choice.
I'm inclined to agree with that definition ideologically, but I don't think it works politically, as people who think abortion should be legal in the first trimester will be valuable allies in areas where abortion is currently legal through all 9 months.
If we want politicians to build coalitions that cater to ideologically pro-life people, we need to get more of them.
I am unimpressed with the Abbey Psalms and Canticles. My impression is that it is too wordy, and awkward at some moments. But, I may be attached to the current translation of the breviary because it is familiar.
The June 2028 date for the new lectionary has failed to include the 5-year synodal process to ensure that all the laity approve of it and don't get upset about any of the translation changes to beloved passages.
Thank you so much for the entire conversation regarding some languages simply do not have the vocabulary and language to convey what is said in the Word of God and the importance of good language to convey the Faith. I thought it was a very good articulation of the idea that means we use to transmit the Faith must have a capacity and depth to reliably achieve that.
If one doesn't make new translations one will eventually lose one's copyright. Therefore one must revise regularly.
I suspect health insurance lobbying firms will aggressively fight a potential IVF mandate and turn it into a total non-starter given the staggering costs that would be involved. Lobbying FTW!
Any word on that the latest NAB version will revise some of the questionable commentary in the notes section?
https://www.catholic.com/audio/cot/cringey-notes-in-the-catholic-new-american-bible
Will the new breviary give us better hymn choices? Some of the current choices are just awful.
From what I understand, the answer is “yes,” and the hymns for the Breviary are to be contained in a separate smaller volume to accompany the 4-volume Breviary.
Re: new translation/update to NABRE -thank God that my Little Rock Catholic Study Bible New Testament is safeguarded by the editorial brilliance of my friend Fr. Ronald D. Witherup PSS. He publishes what he does and preaches as evidenced by his prodigious author list. He may be the last living Catholic vestige to Fr. Raymond E. Brown SS.
Consider a podcast with Fr. Ron on one or two of his books:
• Biblical Fundamentalism: What Every Catholic Should Know
• Scripture and Tradition in the Letters of St. Paul
• his experience as a New Testament editor for the Little Rock Study NABRE
THANKS