JD and Ed- I would love to hear your comments on his comments on TLM during this same speech. Why is it “backwards” to want sacred liturgy. What is so bad about TLM and Latin? He seems very anti all things TLM which I find genuinely perplexing. Church leaders act like it’s such a head scratcher why most people don’t believe in the Real P…
JD and Ed- I would love to hear your comments on his comments on TLM during this same speech. Why is it “backwards” to want sacred liturgy. What is so bad about TLM and Latin? He seems very anti all things TLM which I find genuinely perplexing. Church leaders act like it’s such a head scratcher why most people don’t believe in the Real Presence anymore but won’t even talk about the possibility that maybe something more traditional like communion on the tongue would help restore this belief. This is just one example. It’s frustrating that he continual calls for dialogue, unless you want to dialogue about sacred tradition- in which case the message is please shut up. I‘m in my forties and have attended 2 TLMs in my life and they were both profoundly spiritual experiences for me....and the Pope can’t be any clearer on how much he dislikes TLM. I don’t get it. What am I missing?
Thanks Steve. I did read that but I am referring to the Pope’s recent comments in the same meeting where he spoke about large news outlets, etc. According to the article from CNA, the Pope said, “Now I hope with the decision to stop the automatism of the ancient rite we can return to the true intentions of BXVI and JPII.” He also spoke about seminarians wanting to learn Latin in what seemed to me like a negative tone. Almost like- these crazy kids want to learn to pray in Latin! Can you believe that? I would love to hear if JD or Ed have any feedback on those comments. Thanks!
In case you missed it the Holy Father also had this "gem" in that speech:
"It frightens us to go forward in pastoral experiences. I think of the work that was done – Father Spadaro was present – at the Synod on the Family to make it understood that couples in second unions are not already condemned to hell. It frightens us to accompany people with sexual diversity. We are afraid of the crossroads and paths that Paul VI spoke of. This is the evil of this moment, namely, to seek the path in rigidity and clericalism, which are two perversions."
Who in the world has ever suggested that couples in second unions are already condemned to hell? That is a first class straw man. He also seems convinced that fear and rigidity are what drives those who disagree with him. The Holy Father has never demonstrated that he's capable of approaching those who disagree with him without condemning their motives as opposed to addressing their actual positions.
I know most people want to give Pope Francis the benefit of the doubt. How could you not? He's the pope! But at some point you have to look at his repeated statements, such as the ones JD and Ed addressed, and conclude that the man either refuses to or is incapable of seeing anything but bad motives in his adversaries.
JD and Ed- I would love to hear your comments on his comments on TLM during this same speech. Why is it “backwards” to want sacred liturgy. What is so bad about TLM and Latin? He seems very anti all things TLM which I find genuinely perplexing. Church leaders act like it’s such a head scratcher why most people don’t believe in the Real Presence anymore but won’t even talk about the possibility that maybe something more traditional like communion on the tongue would help restore this belief. This is just one example. It’s frustrating that he continual calls for dialogue, unless you want to dialogue about sacred tradition- in which case the message is please shut up. I‘m in my forties and have attended 2 TLMs in my life and they were both profoundly spiritual experiences for me....and the Pope can’t be any clearer on how much he dislikes TLM. I don’t get it. What am I missing?
They addressed the motu propio in the podcast after it was released.
Thanks Steve. I did read that but I am referring to the Pope’s recent comments in the same meeting where he spoke about large news outlets, etc. According to the article from CNA, the Pope said, “Now I hope with the decision to stop the automatism of the ancient rite we can return to the true intentions of BXVI and JPII.” He also spoke about seminarians wanting to learn Latin in what seemed to me like a negative tone. Almost like- these crazy kids want to learn to pray in Latin! Can you believe that? I would love to hear if JD or Ed have any feedback on those comments. Thanks!
In case you missed it the Holy Father also had this "gem" in that speech:
"It frightens us to go forward in pastoral experiences. I think of the work that was done – Father Spadaro was present – at the Synod on the Family to make it understood that couples in second unions are not already condemned to hell. It frightens us to accompany people with sexual diversity. We are afraid of the crossroads and paths that Paul VI spoke of. This is the evil of this moment, namely, to seek the path in rigidity and clericalism, which are two perversions."
Who in the world has ever suggested that couples in second unions are already condemned to hell? That is a first class straw man. He also seems convinced that fear and rigidity are what drives those who disagree with him. The Holy Father has never demonstrated that he's capable of approaching those who disagree with him without condemning their motives as opposed to addressing their actual positions.
I know most people want to give Pope Francis the benefit of the doubt. How could you not? He's the pope! But at some point you have to look at his repeated statements, such as the ones JD and Ed addressed, and conclude that the man either refuses to or is incapable of seeing anything but bad motives in his adversaries.