The Maronites and others generally face the people. This took place according to the latinization of their Liturgy. The current texts are from their restored Syriac liturgical Tradition but not the position of the celebrant.
The ikonostases of today generally would allow for those of the Byzantine Tradition to see which direction the prie…
The Maronites and others generally face the people. This took place according to the latinization of their Liturgy. The current texts are from their restored Syriac liturgical Tradition but not the position of the celebrant.
The ikonostases of today generally would allow for those of the Byzantine Tradition to see which direction the priest faces and there is no great push among Byzantine Catholics or Orthodox to face the people.
In the late 1960's and the 1970's I attended "experimental" Divine Liturgies facing the people in front of the ikonostas but happily these were seen as weird attempts to be "relevant" and "hip." It is a great blessing that they died out in the few places that did this.
The Syro Malabar shave never had an ikonostas as but did at one time have a veil across the holy place the was opened and closed for certain parts of the Qurbano. This went away with latinizations even before Vatican II called for the reform of the Latin Liturgy.
Not that I have a lot of experience with ikonostases, but I thought you could see the priest well enough to tell his position, but really not well enough to get a human-connection type look at his face.
You can see what position the priest is in through most ikonostases. Most churches today do not have the older curtain that was closed at times behind the Royal Doors. The priest turns toward the people during the Liturgy when he addresses them or gives blessings.
Yeah. The reason I mentioned the human connection is that I think the desire for that is why people tend to want versus populum. And that the desire to not have it is why people tend to want ad Orientem. Turning around completely blocks that, but looking at someone through a grating with a bunch of icons on it would do a lot to obscure it as well, possibly enough to prevent it almost entirely, even if you can see where he is and how he's standing.
Personally, I like ad populum because in South Bend one can frequently see the consecrated hosts in the ciboriums and spend the time after the Consecration adoring Jesus.
Well, I can't say that's ever been my experience at an ad populum Mass, but I've never been in South Bend. But one doesn't really need to see to adore. You adore the Sacred Blood when the chalice is elevated, without seeing it.
But I do understand the desire to see, that being the whole point of the Monstrance.
The Maronites and others generally face the people. This took place according to the latinization of their Liturgy. The current texts are from their restored Syriac liturgical Tradition but not the position of the celebrant.
The ikonostases of today generally would allow for those of the Byzantine Tradition to see which direction the priest faces and there is no great push among Byzantine Catholics or Orthodox to face the people.
In the late 1960's and the 1970's I attended "experimental" Divine Liturgies facing the people in front of the ikonostas but happily these were seen as weird attempts to be "relevant" and "hip." It is a great blessing that they died out in the few places that did this.
The Syro Malabar shave never had an ikonostas as but did at one time have a veil across the holy place the was opened and closed for certain parts of the Qurbano. This went away with latinizations even before Vatican II called for the reform of the Latin Liturgy.
Not that I have a lot of experience with ikonostases, but I thought you could see the priest well enough to tell his position, but really not well enough to get a human-connection type look at his face.
You can see what position the priest is in through most ikonostases. Most churches today do not have the older curtain that was closed at times behind the Royal Doors. The priest turns toward the people during the Liturgy when he addresses them or gives blessings.
Yeah. The reason I mentioned the human connection is that I think the desire for that is why people tend to want versus populum. And that the desire to not have it is why people tend to want ad Orientem. Turning around completely blocks that, but looking at someone through a grating with a bunch of icons on it would do a lot to obscure it as well, possibly enough to prevent it almost entirely, even if you can see where he is and how he's standing.
Personally, I like ad populum because in South Bend one can frequently see the consecrated hosts in the ciboriums and spend the time after the Consecration adoring Jesus.
Well, I can't say that's ever been my experience at an ad populum Mass, but I've never been in South Bend. But one doesn't really need to see to adore. You adore the Sacred Blood when the chalice is elevated, without seeing it.
But I do understand the desire to see, that being the whole point of the Monstrance.