Why not? The SSPX is doing pretty well under Francis, despite being in "irregular communion" for 40 years. The priests of the Diocese of Ahiara refused to accept their bishop for five years until they finally got someone from their own tribe, and never suffered any consequences. The Coptic Pope Tawadros II leads a church that has been in…
Why not? The SSPX is doing pretty well under Francis, despite being in "irregular communion" for 40 years. The priests of the Diocese of Ahiara refused to accept their bishop for five years until they finally got someone from their own tribe, and never suffered any consequences. The Coptic Pope Tawadros II leads a church that has been in schism for over 1500 years and he just celebrated Divine Liturgy at Saint Peter's earlier this year.
Ecclesiastical authority, but that doesn't translate to civil authority. I know of one instance in which the prior of a monastery signed a civil contract that, canonically speaking, he didn't have the power to sign (his provincial should have been the one to approve it). Nevertheless, the community was bound by it, because US civil law is not bound by canon law.
As Commissary, the Bishop has no involvement in financial or property assets.
This was also the case before he found someone in Rome to make him Commissary. He was not made Commissary by the Cardinal Prefect, but an Archbishop with a history of closing Monasteries in Europe. In our Church men get to make all the rules and break all the rules. Bishop Hubbard who died today is exhibit #1
The whole Commissary commission looks pretty sketchy, it’s true. But regardless, it happened. And it holds weight because the Church has the authority to do it. The Church is the Body of Christ & sometimes the Body of Christ dying. We have to honor that or Catholicism becomes civil and democratic vs Apostolic.
It’s a complicated process, but the distribution of assets is covered by Canon law if the monastery were suppressed, and the Vatican could include the diocese in the distribution. These Nuns are not getting good advice. I do think they have been abused; they enjoyed a great deal of autonomy and the respect and spiritual support from laity and the Diocese for many years. They seem to be truly caught off guard, as they say, and reacting under the pressure of this imposed isolation and humiliation.
Why not? The SSPX is doing pretty well under Francis, despite being in "irregular communion" for 40 years. The priests of the Diocese of Ahiara refused to accept their bishop for five years until they finally got someone from their own tribe, and never suffered any consequences. The Coptic Pope Tawadros II leads a church that has been in schism for over 1500 years and he just celebrated Divine Liturgy at Saint Peter's earlier this year.
Presumably the nuns, who would own their land as a civil corporation. It would be highly unusual for the diocese to own it.
The Nuns own it… but then Rome made Bishop Olson the Nuns direct superior with authority to manage their assets, if I’m not mistaken.
Ecclesiastical authority, but that doesn't translate to civil authority. I know of one instance in which the prior of a monastery signed a civil contract that, canonically speaking, he didn't have the power to sign (his provincial should have been the one to approve it). Nevertheless, the community was bound by it, because US civil law is not bound by canon law.
Should be interesting to see what happens then.
Unfortunately this is not correct.
As Commissary, the Bishop has no involvement in financial or property assets.
This was also the case before he found someone in Rome to make him Commissary. He was not made Commissary by the Cardinal Prefect, but an Archbishop with a history of closing Monasteries in Europe. In our Church men get to make all the rules and break all the rules. Bishop Hubbard who died today is exhibit #1
The whole Commissary commission looks pretty sketchy, it’s true. But regardless, it happened. And it holds weight because the Church has the authority to do it. The Church is the Body of Christ & sometimes the Body of Christ dying. We have to honor that or Catholicism becomes civil and democratic vs Apostolic.
It’s a complicated process, but the distribution of assets is covered by Canon law if the monastery were suppressed, and the Vatican could include the diocese in the distribution. These Nuns are not getting good advice. I do think they have been abused; they enjoyed a great deal of autonomy and the respect and spiritual support from laity and the Diocese for many years. They seem to be truly caught off guard, as they say, and reacting under the pressure of this imposed isolation and humiliation.