Are cloistered nuns considered especially vulnerable to the machinations of outsiders who tell them what they want to hear, such as the pseudo bishop in Spain?
I could see that being a vulnerability. They spend so much time away from the world while putting trust in bishops (clericalism). It could create an atmosphere some bad actors could exploit.
But is it clericalism if it’s a pseudo bishop? Or is it a charismatic, cult-like figure leading them astray? The reality will hit hard when they’re evicted from the monastery!
They may (I have no special insight) believe his position of "Thuc Line makes me a real bishop". And who knows if they understand what exactly his time in the "Palmerian Catholic Church" means. Some may think it's just a "traditionalist" group.
That eviction is likely to take some time. Firstly because there remains a ‘prodigal son’ option for the group to return with some new insight and repentance to the authority of Rome or to take matters to a public legal battle on who actually owns their estate.
In theory cloistered nuns should be especially shielded from crooked manipulators because of their seclusion from the outside world. I heard of one English convent where the nuns were told, in very vague terms, about the start of the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962. But no one told them that the crisis had passed until a worried nun asked the Superior weeks later.
All the various sedevacantist sects which I have heard of since the early 1980s have been totally male dominated. Not least because you have to be a male to get yourself elected as the "True Pope".
But the Internet now offers one obvious route for a worm to get inside the cloistered apple. And even cloistered nuns are given limited permission to go on line. If one or two overcurious nuns spend too much time on the crazier "Catholic" websites, any loony ideas can be imported. I do not know if this is what happened here.
This is analogous to a Catholic wife with 10 children and caring for 3 elderly parents leaving her husband to marry a broke lunatic conspiracy theorist because he tells her she's so pretty and will give her what she wants.
There's always far more to a news story than meets the eye. I'd like to hear about this from various people who've been living with it for the past half century or longer.
I (and obviously many others) have noticed that some clergy, religious, devout lay people, etc. are and have been in open defiance of the Pope. Many others are on the cusp of it (the internet is a good place to start). It's usually the Church v. secularists, Protestants, Freemasons, Satanists, Communists, or other outside opponents. When Catholics battle Catholics, that is truly a bad sign. We don't need more schism. The Church is and has been under attack on so many frontiers by so many groups for so long (it's truly a miracle that it is still around...and yes, the Holy Spirit is working hard to prevent the gates of Hell from overcoming it) that it doesn't need more conflict. I think the Church has to take a time-out, bring in the exorcists to exorcise every Catholic institution, and pray hard.
Not saying the exorcism is a bad idea, but it's a sacramental, not a Sacrament. If you don't fix the underlying problem, you just get 7 more demons worse than the first. We need daily mental prayer, routine fasting, and forgiveness. For a start.
Are cloistered nuns considered especially vulnerable to the machinations of outsiders who tell them what they want to hear, such as the pseudo bishop in Spain?
I could see that being a vulnerability. They spend so much time away from the world while putting trust in bishops (clericalism). It could create an atmosphere some bad actors could exploit.
But is it clericalism if it’s a pseudo bishop? Or is it a charismatic, cult-like figure leading them astray? The reality will hit hard when they’re evicted from the monastery!
They may (I have no special insight) believe his position of "Thuc Line makes me a real bishop". And who knows if they understand what exactly his time in the "Palmerian Catholic Church" means. Some may think it's just a "traditionalist" group.
That eviction is likely to take some time. Firstly because there remains a ‘prodigal son’ option for the group to return with some new insight and repentance to the authority of Rome or to take matters to a public legal battle on who actually owns their estate.
In theory cloistered nuns should be especially shielded from crooked manipulators because of their seclusion from the outside world. I heard of one English convent where the nuns were told, in very vague terms, about the start of the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962. But no one told them that the crisis had passed until a worried nun asked the Superior weeks later.
All the various sedevacantist sects which I have heard of since the early 1980s have been totally male dominated. Not least because you have to be a male to get yourself elected as the "True Pope".
But the Internet now offers one obvious route for a worm to get inside the cloistered apple. And even cloistered nuns are given limited permission to go on line. If one or two overcurious nuns spend too much time on the crazier "Catholic" websites, any loony ideas can be imported. I do not know if this is what happened here.
Not surprising but still sad. I pray for the repentance of the nuns in schism and I hope the elderly ones (currently in their hands) can be rescued.
This is analogous to a Catholic wife with 10 children and caring for 3 elderly parents leaving her husband to marry a broke lunatic conspiracy theorist because he tells her she's so pretty and will give her what she wants.
So, so sad.
There's always far more to a news story than meets the eye. I'd like to hear about this from various people who've been living with it for the past half century or longer.
I (and obviously many others) have noticed that some clergy, religious, devout lay people, etc. are and have been in open defiance of the Pope. Many others are on the cusp of it (the internet is a good place to start). It's usually the Church v. secularists, Protestants, Freemasons, Satanists, Communists, or other outside opponents. When Catholics battle Catholics, that is truly a bad sign. We don't need more schism. The Church is and has been under attack on so many frontiers by so many groups for so long (it's truly a miracle that it is still around...and yes, the Holy Spirit is working hard to prevent the gates of Hell from overcoming it) that it doesn't need more conflict. I think the Church has to take a time-out, bring in the exorcists to exorcise every Catholic institution, and pray hard.
Not saying the exorcism is a bad idea, but it's a sacramental, not a Sacrament. If you don't fix the underlying problem, you just get 7 more demons worse than the first. We need daily mental prayer, routine fasting, and forgiveness. For a start.
Yes!