What hasn’t been looked at, politically speaking, is that Pelosi is on her last legs as Speaker of the House. When the Republicans win big in November, Pelosi will step down, retire, rather than be under a “racist” Republican leader. Pride before a fault. Her lame duck status is perfect timing for the Archbishop.
This sends an important message regarding supporting the murdering of innocent human beings. Pelosi is potentially leading other Catholics astray, by suggesting that one can be Catholic and pro-choice. Not.
Correct move by Abp Cordileone pursuant to Canon 915, if rather belated. Some of his episcopal colleagues are supportive; most are hiding under their desks!
What I would also like to read is some historical perspective. Did the Church did something similar to political leaders before? Of course, we did not have representative democracy for most of Church life; and we did not have widespread abortion (although it was more common than people think); still, there would be similar issues even with emperors, kings, and feudals.
Did something like this happen before? Did it actually help?
Not really the same (since the present case hasn't gone that far), but reminds me of the time that some segregationist folks got themselves a stern paternal warning and then an excommunication https://tinyurl.com/54nmusbh
I had to laugh when I heard that Whoopi Goldber told her audience that it's not AB Cordelione's job to decide who can and can't receive Communion. The woman has an opinion on everything, including things of which she is totally ignorant.
As a supporter of the "godfather" Cordileone, it must be understood that the Archdiocese of San Francisco has nine suffragan dioceses within its authority structure. The Diocese of Santa Rosa is but one.
a suffragan diocese, for what it's worth, doesn't really fall under the authority of the metropolitan see. the metropolitan organizes certain things and has liturgical precedence, but isn't in an authority position over his brother bishops.
I now understand why the Diocese of Santa Rosa is mentioned. Reports indicate that the Speaker has a summer vacation home in the Napa Valley which is part of the diocese. Bishop Robert Vasa has pastors who would have Ms. Pelosi for Sunday services.
I am sure that someone already made you aware, but the province of New Jersey has permanently changed the Ascension to the Seventh Sunday of Easter--beginning this year.
This just shows how Protestantized so many of our Catholics have become. I am not disparaging protestants because many of them are better Christians than many Catholics. But, if you want to act and believe like a protestant, then leave our Church and join them. If you choose to tie a millstone around your own neck then we can't stop you, but don't tie one around other Catholics who are uneducated in true Catholic teaching.
I agree! It's difficult to be a Catholic in today's world, but if you don't agree with a fundamental teaching of the Catholic Church, you should join a different church. This teaching is in the Catechism of the Catholic Church (page 606), and has not changed since the first century!
For the Church to have authority in social issues, that has to apply to Catholics on both extremes. We can't be condemning people for not following Church teaching and the Pope to the letter when we are engaged ourselves in undermining more recent Popes and more recent Church teaching.
You are right. But what a popes says is very different than what the doctrines of the Church are. We can disagree with any of the popes or bishops prudential judgements, yet they have the ultimate ruling over their flock if a person violates established Church doctrines.
Here in scenic, sunny Pittsburgh, Ascension Thursday falls on a Thursday, one of many valid reasons to move here (I do not know what any of the other reasons are however).
I will ask Blessed James Alberione to pray for the ADW.
Sadly Pelosi , Biden and de Lauro of ct. Etc. . Regard rc faith and morrals Sexual and otherwise as a
JOKE. . Many of thr Rc cino bishops like Gregory ,Dolan, Lori ,Tobin of Nj and O malley etc. Give substance to those false perceptions of them ......
SADLY THEY BIDEN and Pelosi etc. plus lapsed rc sen .Reed, .Warren, Leahy and Collins of New england view their silence as Acquiescence........... Inaction on communion denial for blanton promotion. Of Abortion in ALL NINE MONTHS OF PREGNANCY by lapsed Catholic pols. at the recent Baltimore bishops
Convention and ineptitude of Gregory and the vatican GIVES a bad example . They are not following ab Cordeleones courageous lead on this ..
Interestingly, in the Southern Baptist Sexual Scandals, there is no mention that NONE of these perpetrators are celibate? All secular or married. Was attribution to celibacy of the Roman Catholic scandals a form of Main Stream Media (MSM) Catholic persecution and bigotry? There is no celibacy in these reported scandals but they sure sound like the same horrible problems! My point…..these horrible problems relate to man’s concupiscence and not to the required vow of celibacy! We are once again learning that sins come from inside man and not from the vow of discipline, obedience, and sacrificial celibacy. We, Catholics, can learn that it is NOT the celibacy that is cause for this problem! Please take note! And let that notion be dispelled………
That was always my go-to joke whenever these cases came up in other contexts: “If ONLY teachers/Baptist ministers/gymnastics coaches were allowed to marry, this wouldn’t have happened.”
Changing the subject to the Ascension. Why we would change when to celebrate the one event we are most sure *when* it happened really escapes my comprehension. As we read in the acts of the Apostles, Jesus appear to them for 40 days. And as a bonus, we who don't leave in the few provinces that left things as they properly were, all but forgo the Seventh Sunday of Easter. I honestly don't get it.
I grew up in a Ascension Thursday diocese and don't like Ascension Thursday Sunday (what I have in my current diocese).
I've heard some things that have helped me a little. First, though the liturgical celebration is moved to Sunday, it doesn't change the fact that the Ascension did actually take place on Thursday, 40 days after Easter.
Second, there is some pragmatism (not that I necessary agree, but I can see where those who make this argument are coming from) There are dioceses and more rural regions where Catholic Churches are spread out or priests have to cover multiple parishes. If there are no/few Ascension Thursday Masses, there would be no sin incurred by the lay faithful for missing a holy day of obligation. But they would also be missing an important feast. The thinking goes that if they move the feast to Sunday, more people will be able to celebrate the Ascension.
I would respectfully request that The Pillar (or an informed reader) explain why the Church is not clearly in schism if two archbishops fundamentally disagree on the meaning/validity of a Church Canon, specifically, Canon 915?
Simply put, a schism isn't simply a rift in opinion between members of the Church. A schism is when one is out of communion with Rome, the pope in particular. The successor of Peter is the focal point of Christian unity. Disunion with him is schism. To my knowledge, neither bishop is separated from Rome.
Great article in the Washington Post by Mary Eberstadt holds the Panula Chair in Christian Culture at the Catholic Information Center in D.C. and is a senior research fellow with the Faith & Reason Institute. She defines what is occurring by this decision of Cardinal Cordileone asserting the Profession of Faith. ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC, AND APOSTOLIC.
An end to American Catholicism drifting into our own personal Papacy and Protestantism of 50,000 lost denominations. Forever in search for the Truth. The virtues of Obedience and Love are called for in Last Sunday’s gospel. Jesus calls for us, “Whoever loves me will keep my word.” And “Love thy neighbor.” Obedience and Love. Not comfort and selfishness!
What hasn’t been looked at, politically speaking, is that Pelosi is on her last legs as Speaker of the House. When the Republicans win big in November, Pelosi will step down, retire, rather than be under a “racist” Republican leader. Pride before a fault. Her lame duck status is perfect timing for the Archbishop.
Proverbs 16:18
Pride goes before disaster,
and a haughty spirit before a fall.
This sends an important message regarding supporting the murdering of innocent human beings. Pelosi is potentially leading other Catholics astray, by suggesting that one can be Catholic and pro-choice. Not.
Correct move by Abp Cordileone pursuant to Canon 915, if rather belated. Some of his episcopal colleagues are supportive; most are hiding under their desks!
What I would also like to read is some historical perspective. Did the Church did something similar to political leaders before? Of course, we did not have representative democracy for most of Church life; and we did not have widespread abortion (although it was more common than people think); still, there would be similar issues even with emperors, kings, and feudals.
Did something like this happen before? Did it actually help?
Pope Alexander III and King Henry II?
Not really the same (since the present case hasn't gone that far), but reminds me of the time that some segregationist folks got themselves a stern paternal warning and then an excommunication https://tinyurl.com/54nmusbh
Let's see what the Bishop of Biden's home parish does.
Let's see what the Bishop of Biden's home parish does.
I had to laugh when I heard that Whoopi Goldber told her audience that it's not AB Cordelione's job to decide who can and can't receive Communion. The woman has an opinion on everything, including things of which she is totally ignorant.
Exactly! She is totally uneducated regarding our faith.
As a supporter of the "godfather" Cordileone, it must be understood that the Archdiocese of San Francisco has nine suffragan dioceses within its authority structure. The Diocese of Santa Rosa is but one.
a suffragan diocese, for what it's worth, doesn't really fall under the authority of the metropolitan see. the metropolitan organizes certain things and has liturgical precedence, but isn't in an authority position over his brother bishops.
Understood. Sorta knew that. But there is some political pressure, as slight as it probably is.
I now understand why the Diocese of Santa Rosa is mentioned. Reports indicate that the Speaker has a summer vacation home in the Napa Valley which is part of the diocese. Bishop Robert Vasa has pastors who would have Ms. Pelosi for Sunday services.
I am sure that someone already made you aware, but the province of New Jersey has permanently changed the Ascension to the Seventh Sunday of Easter--beginning this year.
yep. corrected in the text! thanks!
What kind of person would present herself
for Holy Communion....anywhere...after all this!
This just shows how Protestantized so many of our Catholics have become. I am not disparaging protestants because many of them are better Christians than many Catholics. But, if you want to act and believe like a protestant, then leave our Church and join them. If you choose to tie a millstone around your own neck then we can't stop you, but don't tie one around other Catholics who are uneducated in true Catholic teaching.
I agree! It's difficult to be a Catholic in today's world, but if you don't agree with a fundamental teaching of the Catholic Church, you should join a different church. This teaching is in the Catechism of the Catholic Church (page 606), and has not changed since the first century!
For the Church to have authority in social issues, that has to apply to Catholics on both extremes. We can't be condemning people for not following Church teaching and the Pope to the letter when we are engaged ourselves in undermining more recent Popes and more recent Church teaching.
You are right. But what a popes says is very different than what the doctrines of the Church are. We can disagree with any of the popes or bishops prudential judgements, yet they have the ultimate ruling over their flock if a person violates established Church doctrines.
Here in scenic, sunny Pittsburgh, Ascension Thursday falls on a Thursday, one of many valid reasons to move here (I do not know what any of the other reasons are however).
I will ask Blessed James Alberione to pray for the ADW.
Sadly Pelosi , Biden and de Lauro of ct. Etc. . Regard rc faith and morrals Sexual and otherwise as a
JOKE. . Many of thr Rc cino bishops like Gregory ,Dolan, Lori ,Tobin of Nj and O malley etc. Give substance to those false perceptions of them ......
SADLY THEY BIDEN and Pelosi etc. plus lapsed rc sen .Reed, .Warren, Leahy and Collins of New england view their silence as Acquiescence........... Inaction on communion denial for blanton promotion. Of Abortion in ALL NINE MONTHS OF PREGNANCY by lapsed Catholic pols. at the recent Baltimore bishops
Convention and ineptitude of Gregory and the vatican GIVES a bad example . They are not following ab Cordeleones courageous lead on this ..
Interestingly, in the Southern Baptist Sexual Scandals, there is no mention that NONE of these perpetrators are celibate? All secular or married. Was attribution to celibacy of the Roman Catholic scandals a form of Main Stream Media (MSM) Catholic persecution and bigotry? There is no celibacy in these reported scandals but they sure sound like the same horrible problems! My point…..these horrible problems relate to man’s concupiscence and not to the required vow of celibacy! We are once again learning that sins come from inside man and not from the vow of discipline, obedience, and sacrificial celibacy. We, Catholics, can learn that it is NOT the celibacy that is cause for this problem! Please take note! And let that notion be dispelled………
That was always my go-to joke whenever these cases came up in other contexts: “If ONLY teachers/Baptist ministers/gymnastics coaches were allowed to marry, this wouldn’t have happened.”
Also a great observation
Excellent point.
Changing the subject to the Ascension. Why we would change when to celebrate the one event we are most sure *when* it happened really escapes my comprehension. As we read in the acts of the Apostles, Jesus appear to them for 40 days. And as a bonus, we who don't leave in the few provinces that left things as they properly were, all but forgo the Seventh Sunday of Easter. I honestly don't get it.
It’s simple: convenience. Can’t expect people to go to church two times in a week, after all - that’d be crazy! /s
I grew up in a Ascension Thursday diocese and don't like Ascension Thursday Sunday (what I have in my current diocese).
I've heard some things that have helped me a little. First, though the liturgical celebration is moved to Sunday, it doesn't change the fact that the Ascension did actually take place on Thursday, 40 days after Easter.
Second, there is some pragmatism (not that I necessary agree, but I can see where those who make this argument are coming from) There are dioceses and more rural regions where Catholic Churches are spread out or priests have to cover multiple parishes. If there are no/few Ascension Thursday Masses, there would be no sin incurred by the lay faithful for missing a holy day of obligation. But they would also be missing an important feast. The thinking goes that if they move the feast to Sunday, more people will be able to celebrate the Ascension.
I would respectfully request that The Pillar (or an informed reader) explain why the Church is not clearly in schism if two archbishops fundamentally disagree on the meaning/validity of a Church Canon, specifically, Canon 915?
Simply put, a schism isn't simply a rift in opinion between members of the Church. A schism is when one is out of communion with Rome, the pope in particular. The successor of Peter is the focal point of Christian unity. Disunion with him is schism. To my knowledge, neither bishop is separated from Rome.
Thank you.
Great article in the Washington Post by Mary Eberstadt holds the Panula Chair in Christian Culture at the Catholic Information Center in D.C. and is a senior research fellow with the Faith & Reason Institute. She defines what is occurring by this decision of Cardinal Cordileone asserting the Profession of Faith. ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC, AND APOSTOLIC.
An end to American Catholicism drifting into our own personal Papacy and Protestantism of 50,000 lost denominations. Forever in search for the Truth. The virtues of Obedience and Love are called for in Last Sunday’s gospel. Jesus calls for us, “Whoever loves me will keep my word.” And “Love thy neighbor.” Obedience and Love. Not comfort and selfishness!